OLTL - Race Wars
Or The Marcie VS. Todd Debate. Basically Jase and I disagree on the whole situation. Our friendship hangs in the balance!
Oh yes before we begin I just want it known that OLTL is running on all cylinders at the moment. Truly I can say without hyperbole that it's the best soap on the air.
Jase: Rex and Adriana admitting their fault is so good.
Darn: Yeah, that'll satisfy the complainers.
Jase: It satisfied me.
Darn: Yes, the complainers. :P
Jase: I don't complain!
Darn: About Rex and Adriana you do!
Jase: Rightfully!
Jase: Until now, now they've cleared it up and I am happy.
Darn: I think everyone who kept Todd from that child except for Margaret was completely in the right.
Jase: That's because you smoke weed.
Jase: I'm sorry but after the first stop on Marcie and Tommy's Magical Mystery Tour that argument dried the fuck up.
Jase: And especially after she started waving the gun around.
Darn: That doesn't negate Todd's deep history of being, um, EVIL.
Jase: That doesn't change the fact that they weren't God or the law.
Jase: When you take the matriarch hostage with a gun you are no better than Todd.
Darn: Marcie went about keeping him in the wrong way, for sure but Todd went about taking him the wrong way and goes about life in general the wrong way.
Darn: Oh please.
Jase: I felt for her during this, and yes Todd is a bad man, but she became what she hated.
Jase: Well, that's why the story works, because we both feel two ways about it.
Jase: The show doesn't MAKE you feel one way or the other.
Darn: I suppose. Even though you're wrong.
Jase: Even though you smoke rocks.
Jase: With the rest of the white neo Nazis.
Jase: I liked the blanket thing.
Darn: I'm surprised Todd didn't rip it apart in front of Tommy while telling him Marcie was dead.
Jase: Oh, you.
Jase: Even yoooouuu admitted T&B melted your heart a few months ago.
Darn: Because for once he acted like a DECENT person.
Jase: What was he supposed to do, give the baby up?
Jase: Todd would never do that.
Darn: That's the problem with characters like Todd, they act decent for an episode and you have to praise them. People like Marcie fuck up for a few months and suddenly they're "just like Todd". It's just not true.
Darn: No, I wouldn't expect him to, that doesn't mean I can't dislike him for the way he's acted.
Jase: I don't just praise Todd when he's decent, I praise him when he's indecent because I like the character. That's in character, he does good things and horrible things. And yes, I do think Marcie in a way began to resemble Todd with her thoughtless and self obsessed actions.
Jase: She's not a rapist or murderer, but she was doing Todd-like things.
Darn: She kidnapped a baby, what other sort of Todd-like things did she do?
Jase: I don't think you can't dislike him but you have to admit he has another side to the character. He's had a bunch of scenes in the last couple months talking about how maybe Marcie is right, maybe he should let it go, he's a monster, blah blah blah.
Jase: She held Viki at gunpoint.
Darn: And she didn't kidnap Tommy to "punish" anyone the way Todd did when he took Blair's baby, she took him out of a desire to protect him.
Jase: In the end it started to become about punishing Todd and Michael.
Jase: She kept calling Michael up one last time to tell him he would never see them again and demanding money, come on, WTF?
Darn: Todd and his "I'm so awful, wah, wah, wah" bullshit has been going on for years.
Darn: I'm sorry but comparing Marcie to Todd is trying too hard to make her just as bad as him.
Jase: ANYONE who told her this was not good for the baby she had to yell at.
Jase: I don't think she's as bad as him. I do think she was going down that road.
Jase: Excuse me, I have to go find a bottle I can break so we can continue this discussion with me brandishing one end of it.
Jase: This is like Hannity & Colmes.
Darn: She wasn't anywhere near him, even at the end. And holding Viki hostage was horrible but didn't Todd hold half the town hostage with a fake bomb? And as everyone said Marcie wasn't going to hurt Viki, even Viki knew that.
Jase: Michael didn't, John didn't. Marcie didn't.
Darn: Oh come now. Tell me when desperation and intention became the same thing.
Jase: Why did any of them believe she could do it?
Darn: Because she was desperate, that's the only reason. Unlike Todd who when he hurts people does it with intent.
Jase: Because yeah, if not for Michael and Viki I think that could've ended with Marcie eating a gun.
Darn: I doubt they were thinking "If Viki talks smack to her she's gonna get a bullet to the knee."
Jase: Well, let's get meta, does Britney Spears hurt people with intent? I doubt it but she still hurts them.
Jase: And it's still not acceptable.
Darn: Of course not but you keep saying she was approaching Todd levels of awful.
Jase: I think you're supposed to draw parallels, yes. Marcie has spent all her time saying she could never do as Todd did, yet there she is pointing a gun at Viki and asking for a chopper.
Darn: Marcie's few months of being on the run and ONE NIGHT of a complete break from reality don't compare to years of destructive behavior, SORRY.
Jase: No it doesn't, but it doesn't excuse her, either.
Jase: I feel very sorry for her and I thought she was heartbreaking this last week, but still, I'm not sorry she's paying.
Darn: I'm not asking for her to be excused but she certainly has reasons for what she did. And the only reason I want her to pay is because it makes for a good story, not necessarily because she deserves it.
Jase: Okay then.
Jase: I am going to go throw a wastebasket through the window of the pizza parlor of your soul.
Enclosed from Jase: A special glimpse at somebody from OLTL's past courtesy of Shakespeare In The Park - Ellen Holly (a.k.a. Carla Hall) as Regan in King Lear with James Earl Jones.
